Comments on: Landmarks, Lutherans, and the Liturgy http://pursiful.com/2007/01/landmarks-lutherans-and-the-liturgy/ Darrell Pursiful's blog Mon, 14 May 2012 13:24:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: D. P. http://pursiful.com/2007/01/landmarks-lutherans-and-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-374 D. P. Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:04:09 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=250#comment-374 Thanks, Pastor Randy. I appreciate your comments. It's interesting that you assume one of the ministers who excommunicated themselves was Lutheran (maybe LCMS or WELS?). I'm not saying they were, and I'm not saying they weren't. It's just interesting how people see things in terms of their own experiences. :-) Thanks, Pastor Randy. I appreciate your comments. It’s interesting that you assume one of the ministers who excommunicated themselves was Lutheran (maybe LCMS or WELS?). I’m not saying they were, and I’m not saying they weren’t. It’s just interesting how people see things in terms of their own experiences. :-)

]]> By: Pastor Randy http://pursiful.com/2007/01/landmarks-lutherans-and-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-373 Pastor Randy Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:18:05 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=250#comment-373 As a Lutheran pastor in the evangelical catholic tradition, all I can say is AMEN! You folks are certainly changing my impression of Baptists.. I owe a great deal to "captain sacrament" for all his intereting links . . .(no Kyle, you are not a Baptist. You are a Lutheran, you just don't know it yet) Your negative experience in a Lutheran setting was obviously not in a congregation of the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America). We practice open communion -- it is the Lord's supper, not ours. We are all guests at God's altar-table. The grave danger in the church when it comes to handling the "mysteries of God" is our human weakness toward being so heavenly minded we are of no earthly good. The Word made visible is our food for the journey . . . learn to share. By the way, on the issue of Benediction (THAT Benediction, not blessing), even Lutherans who idenfity as evangelical catholics get sqimish . . . we don't like to play with our Food. As a Lutheran pastor in the evangelical catholic tradition, all I can say is AMEN! You folks are certainly changing my impression of Baptists.. I owe a great deal to “captain sacrament” for all his intereting links . . .(no Kyle, you are not a Baptist. You are a Lutheran, you just don’t know it yet)

Your negative experience in a Lutheran setting was obviously not in a congregation of the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America). We practice open communion — it is the Lord’s supper, not ours. We are all guests at God’s altar-table. The grave danger in the church when it comes to handling the “mysteries of God” is our human weakness toward being so heavenly minded we are of no earthly good. The Word made visible is our food for the journey . . . learn to share.

By the way, on the issue of Benediction (THAT Benediction, not blessing), even Lutherans who idenfity as evangelical catholics get sqimish . . . we don’t like to play with our Food.

]]> By: Timothy http://pursiful.com/2007/01/landmarks-lutherans-and-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-372 Timothy Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:43:13 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=250#comment-372 "Well, Jesus had it with Judas Iscariot, so who could be ruled out? " I have strong doubts that Jesus had communion with Judas. John 13 seems to have Judas leaving at the start of the passover meal. Jesus hands Judas a piece of bread, which Judas takes, but does not seem to consume. There is no mention of Judas consuming any wine or the passover meal. “Well, Jesus had it with Judas Iscariot, so who could be ruled out? ”

I have strong doubts that Jesus had communion with Judas.

John 13 seems to have Judas leaving at the start of the passover meal. Jesus hands Judas a piece of bread, which Judas takes, but does not seem to consume. There is no mention of Judas consuming any wine or the passover meal.

]]> By: PS http://pursiful.com/2007/01/landmarks-lutherans-and-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-371 PS Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:40:03 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=250#comment-371 I am glad that the day you went to the Lutheran church all were invited to take and eat. Unfortunately, this is not the case with all Lutheran groups. I would not be invited at the church of my baptism, and my DH would not be invited at the church of his confirmation because we live where there isn't that group, so we attend a church with open communion. When we attend with relatives, this is a problem. My grandmother used to take communion in her daughter's churches and said she couldn't be truthful with her pastor about this. The pastor at our church says, "The Lord invites you..." I've heard (not confirmed) that a person could be turned away at the communion rail in some churches. That begs several questions: what characteristics would the pastor use to pass judgment? What if the pastor is new at that church and really doesn't know the people? What if the communicant was new to the community? I don't think that our Lord wants these stumbling blocks to be put in front of His people. Our doctrine should help us view God more clearly, not present hurdles to jump over and hoops to jump through to be part of his Kingdom. I am glad that the day you went to the Lutheran church all were invited to take and eat. Unfortunately, this is not the case with all Lutheran groups. I would not be invited at the church of my baptism, and my DH would not be invited at the church of his confirmation because we live where there isn’t that group, so we attend a church with open communion. When we attend with relatives, this is a problem.

My grandmother used to take communion in her daughter’s churches and said she couldn’t be truthful with her pastor about this.

The pastor at our church says, “The Lord invites you…”

I’ve heard (not confirmed) that a person could be turned away at the communion rail in some churches. That begs several questions: what characteristics would the pastor use to pass judgment? What if the pastor is new at that church and really doesn’t know the people? What if the communicant was new to the community?

I don’t think that our Lord wants these stumbling blocks to be put in front of His people. Our doctrine should help us view God more clearly, not present hurdles to jump over and hoops to jump through to be part of his Kingdom.

]]> By: D. P. http://pursiful.com/2007/01/landmarks-lutherans-and-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-370 D. P. Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:30:53 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=250#comment-370 I hope it is, Michael, I hope it is. I hope it is, Michael, I hope it is.

]]> By: Michael Westmoreland-White http://pursiful.com/2007/01/landmarks-lutherans-and-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-369 Michael Westmoreland-White Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:10:45 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=250#comment-369 You don?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t receive Communion with just anybody, do you?). Well, Jesus had it with Judas Iscariot, so who could be ruled out? I've always considered Landmarkism to be a Baptist heresy. Do you think it's dying out? You don?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t receive Communion with just anybody, do you?).

Well, Jesus had it with Judas Iscariot, so who could be ruled out? I’ve always considered Landmarkism to be a Baptist heresy. Do you think it’s dying out?

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