Comments on: I'm Not Crossing the Tiber, but My Toes Are in the Thames http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/ Darrell Pursiful's blog Mon, 14 May 2012 13:24:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Connected Christianity » Blog Archive » Christian Reconciliation Carnival #7 http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-656 Connected Christianity » Blog Archive » Christian Reconciliation Carnival #7 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:54:39 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-656 [...] my entry, “I’m Not Crossing the Tiber, but My Toes Are In the Thames,” a lifelong Baptist looks admiringly at some of the positive aspects of the Anglican [...] [...] my entry, “I’m Not Crossing the Tiber, but My Toes Are In the Thames,” a lifelong Baptist looks admiringly at some of the positive aspects of the Anglican [...]

]]> By: Anne http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-655 Anne Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:35:08 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-655 Far be it from me to downplay the need for what evangelicals see as "personal faith and commitment" or words to that effect. But we're now far from the topic of whether infant baptism is spiritual coercion. My point is that blessings and grace aren't coercive regardless of the age at which they're bestowed. Far be it from me to downplay the need for what evangelicals see as “personal faith and commitment” or words to that effect. But we’re now far from the topic of whether infant baptism is spiritual coercion. My point is that blessings and grace aren’t coercive regardless of the age at which they’re bestowed.

]]> By: Michael Westmoreland-White http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-654 Michael Westmoreland-White Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:42:29 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-654 Yes! But circumcision of the heart, unlike the physical kind, takes personal faith & commitment. Yes! But circumcision of the heart, unlike the physical kind, takes personal faith & commitment.

]]> By: Anne http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-653 Anne Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:27:46 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-653 Hmm. My first try at a reply didn't take either. Let me try that again: True circumcision was always circumcision of the heart (Moses). Hmm. My first try at a reply didn’t take either. Let me try that again:

True circumcision was always circumcision of the heart (Moses).

]]> By: Michael Westmoreland-White http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-652 Michael Westmoreland-White Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:22:52 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-652 My answer, which didn't record for some reason, stressed the difference between the Older and New Covenants--and the way that Jesus relativized all relationships/community based on biology with one based on faith. Women were not circumcised in Israel (thank God!--There's enough female genital mutilation in the world in the name of "circumcision" without adding biblical support!!!) and so were never considered equal members of the covenant community. However, Christianity, entered by faith and then baptism by both genders, is a discipleship of equals. My answer, which didn’t record for some reason, stressed the difference between the Older and New Covenants–and the way that Jesus relativized all relationships/community based on biology with one based on faith. Women were not circumcised in Israel (thank God!–There’s enough female genital mutilation in the world in the name of “circumcision” without adding biblical support!!!) and so were never considered equal members of the covenant community. However, Christianity, entered by faith and then baptism by both genders, is a discipleship of equals.

]]> By: Anne http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-651 Anne Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:30:21 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-651 Hey Michael, long time no see. Out of curiosity, do you object to infants being joined to a covenant by being circumcised? (I know circumicision is not 100% parallel to infant baptism, but for the "spiritual coercion" bit, seems that age is the main thing that would matter ... ) Hey Michael, long time no see.
Out of curiosity, do you object to infants being joined to a covenant by being circumcised? (I know circumicision is not 100% parallel to infant baptism, but for the “spiritual coercion” bit, seems that age is the main thing that would matter … )

]]> By: Michael Westmoreland-White http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-650 Michael Westmoreland-White Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:25:19 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-650 I, too, admire the Book of Common Prayer--and sometimes use it in personal devotion. There is much in Anglicanism to admire, but I can't join any group which baptizes babies. I still see that as spiritual coercion. Authentic faith must be free and uncoerced. I, too, admire the Book of Common Prayer–and sometimes use it in personal devotion. There is much in Anglicanism to admire, but I can’t join any group which baptizes babies. I still see that as spiritual coercion. Authentic faith must be free and uncoerced.

]]> By: Anne http://pursiful.com/2007/07/im-not-crossing-the-tiber-but-my-toes-are-in-the-thames/comment-page-1/#comment-649 Anne Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:45:31 +0000 http://pursiful.com/?p=425#comment-649 I've always admired the Book of Common Prayer. It's a work of art. I’ve always admired the Book of Common Prayer. It’s a work of art.

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