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		<title>By: wow</title>
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		<dc:creator>wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as meaning glistening or shining; not just intellectually brilliant). And it&#8217;s this&#8211;a very thoughtful discussion by a guy named Derell Pursiful, discussing what Biblical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Gantt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gantt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 13:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Inerrancy&quot; is the wrong word for in invites the Bible&#039;s skeptics to focus on the gnats in order to find an unclean one.  The Bible&#039;s defenders then take on those arguments, one gnat at a time.  In the process, everyone is swallowing camels.  

The Bible testifies to Jesus Christ.  If its critics want to debate some other aspect of the Scriptures, let them debate themselves.  Jesus is Lord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Inerrancy&#8221; is the wrong word for in invites the Bible&#8217;s skeptics to focus on the gnats in order to find an unclean one.  The Bible&#8217;s defenders then take on those arguments, one gnat at a time.  In the process, everyone is swallowing camels.  </p>
<p>The Bible testifies to Jesus Christ.  If its critics want to debate some other aspect of the Scriptures, let them debate themselves.  Jesus is Lord!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Westmoreland-White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Westmoreland-White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readers here might want also to compare this statement by Roger Olsen of Truett Theological Seminary (Baylor University), a noted &quot;postconservative&quot; evangelical theologian.  
http://www.rogereolson.com/2010/08/19/why-inerrancy-doesnt-matter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers here might want also to compare this statement by Roger Olsen of Truett Theological Seminary (Baylor University), a noted &#8220;postconservative&#8221; evangelical theologian.<br />
<a href="http://www.rogereolson.com/2010/08/19/why-inerrancy-doesnt-matter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rogereolson.com/2010/08/19/why-inerrancy-doesnt-matter/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Westmoreland-White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Westmoreland-White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wise and balanced treatment.  I think there was more variety in the ancient and Medieval church than you imply. Some (many?) spoke in terms of dictation--the human authors being mere pens in God&#039;s hands. Others, including Origen, Augustine, Luther, &amp; Calvin, were far more nuanced.

I&#039;d say that the first &quot;Bible crisis&quot; in the U.S. came not from Darwin (though that became a huge crisis for many--and apparently still is for Mohler) nor from Europeans practicing early forms of &quot;higher criticism&quot; (as it was then called), but the slavery crisis.  Because the pro-slavery folks seemed to have the better biblical case (with the hermeneutical approaches then available), and the anti-slavery party &quot;only&quot; had the Spirit of the Scriptures, many were shaken in their view of Scripture.
Whatever we mean by our terminology for biblical inspiration, &quot;inerrancy,&quot; and authority, our approach cannot sanction slavery.

I like Wright&#039;s approach (except that I would emphasize shared Bible study in church groups more than private study--and even the private study is to be tested in the church which is a hermeneutical community reading Word and world together), but I guess I don&#039;t feel the need for finding a way to &quot;preserve the centrality and authority of Scripture&quot; because I expect it to preserve and defend itself.  Have groups strayed from Scripture? Sure. Have they neglected it? Sure.  

But the Power of the Holy Spirit speaking in and through these very human words always challenges and renews new generations.

To me the proof is in the pudding.  I have believed so since college days. I remember a conversation back then in which I was trying to show a friend that although Carl Henry had words defending the authority of Scripture (8 volumes!) that someone like Joachim Jeremias, who&#039;d never use a term like &quot;inerrancy&quot; was a much better exegete and showed greater respect for Scripture by being more careful with the actual text. My friend replied, &quot;Well, who do you think has the higher view of Scripture, then?&quot; Without thinking, I replied, &quot;Mother Theresa or Desmond Tutu.&quot; I think I was right--they PERFORMED the Scriptures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wise and balanced treatment.  I think there was more variety in the ancient and Medieval church than you imply. Some (many?) spoke in terms of dictation&#8211;the human authors being mere pens in God&#8217;s hands. Others, including Origen, Augustine, Luther, &amp; Calvin, were far more nuanced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that the first &#8220;Bible crisis&#8221; in the U.S. came not from Darwin (though that became a huge crisis for many&#8211;and apparently still is for Mohler) nor from Europeans practicing early forms of &#8220;higher criticism&#8221; (as it was then called), but the slavery crisis.  Because the pro-slavery folks seemed to have the better biblical case (with the hermeneutical approaches then available), and the anti-slavery party &#8220;only&#8221; had the Spirit of the Scriptures, many were shaken in their view of Scripture.<br />
Whatever we mean by our terminology for biblical inspiration, &#8220;inerrancy,&#8221; and authority, our approach cannot sanction slavery.</p>
<p>I like Wright&#8217;s approach (except that I would emphasize shared Bible study in church groups more than private study&#8211;and even the private study is to be tested in the church which is a hermeneutical community reading Word and world together), but I guess I don&#8217;t feel the need for finding a way to &#8220;preserve the centrality and authority of Scripture&#8221; because I expect it to preserve and defend itself.  Have groups strayed from Scripture? Sure. Have they neglected it? Sure.  </p>
<p>But the Power of the Holy Spirit speaking in and through these very human words always challenges and renews new generations.</p>
<p>To me the proof is in the pudding.  I have believed so since college days. I remember a conversation back then in which I was trying to show a friend that although Carl Henry had words defending the authority of Scripture (8 volumes!) that someone like Joachim Jeremias, who&#8217;d never use a term like &#8220;inerrancy&#8221; was a much better exegete and showed greater respect for Scripture by being more careful with the actual text. My friend replied, &#8220;Well, who do you think has the higher view of Scripture, then?&#8221; Without thinking, I replied, &#8220;Mother Theresa or Desmond Tutu.&#8221; I think I was right&#8211;they PERFORMED the Scriptures.</p>
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		<title>By: Aquinas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aquinas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your article here---it is well thought-out. I guess your position would be closer to espousing the infallibility of scripture, no? The Catholic position you describe is not strictly inerrantist but infalliblist. I totally agree with you that the doctrine of inerrancy does little to a priori to defend the bible since the doctrine&#039;s own validity would depend in a question-begging way on the bible&#039;s inerrancy! How would you ever know the bible was entirely free from any error except by proving it on a case by case basis? But that in turn would require every claim within it be demonstrable when many are beyond our testing. One approach is, I suppose, to suggest Jesus was an inerrantist and therefore since he can&#039;t be wrong (assuming authentic saying etc) then scripture must be inerrant in the sense of having no error.
The Chicago Statement really seems to be an attempt to define a &quot;top-down&quot; doctrine from what we&#039;ve discovered &quot;bottom-up&quot;---I just think we could not worry about the top-down and use Wright&#039;s and the Catholic approach---and that which Enn&#039;s suggests---we take Scripture as we find it--noting its authority and power rather than seeking to &quot;protect the bible&quot; but in the process bring it into derision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your article here&#8212;it is well thought-out. I guess your position would be closer to espousing the infallibility of scripture, no? The Catholic position you describe is not strictly inerrantist but infalliblist. I totally agree with you that the doctrine of inerrancy does little to a priori to defend the bible since the doctrine&#8217;s own validity would depend in a question-begging way on the bible&#8217;s inerrancy! How would you ever know the bible was entirely free from any error except by proving it on a case by case basis? But that in turn would require every claim within it be demonstrable when many are beyond our testing. One approach is, I suppose, to suggest Jesus was an inerrantist and therefore since he can&#8217;t be wrong (assuming authentic saying etc) then scripture must be inerrant in the sense of having no error.<br />
The Chicago Statement really seems to be an attempt to define a &#8220;top-down&#8221; doctrine from what we&#8217;ve discovered &#8220;bottom-up&#8221;&#8212;I just think we could not worry about the top-down and use Wright&#8217;s and the Catholic approach&#8212;and that which Enn&#8217;s suggests&#8212;we take Scripture as we find it&#8211;noting its authority and power rather than seeking to &#8220;protect the bible&#8221; but in the process bring it into derision.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Pursiful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell Pursiful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mitchell, and welcome!</description>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  That&#039;s an excellent and balanced look at the issues of inerrancy.  You&#039;ve really hit the nail on the head here.  In particular, I loved the quote from G.K. Chesterton about the fact that a fence post can only stay the same through continual change.  It reminded me of Jude 3 -- &quot;. . .earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.&quot;  And why do we need to earnestly contend for it?  Because it was not &quot;once delivered&quot; in a static way.  We&#039;ve got to keep repainting it;  and that&#039;s the only way to keep it the same.  As someone who identifies very strongly with the inerrancy of scripture, it was great to see someone point out its difficulties in a form that is not a pro- or anti- polemic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  That&#8217;s an excellent and balanced look at the issues of inerrancy.  You&#8217;ve really hit the nail on the head here.  In particular, I loved the quote from G.K. Chesterton about the fact that a fence post can only stay the same through continual change.  It reminded me of Jude 3 &#8212; &#8220;. . .earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.&#8221;  And why do we need to earnestly contend for it?  Because it was not &#8220;once delivered&#8221; in a static way.  We&#8217;ve got to keep repainting it;  and that&#8217;s the only way to keep it the same.  As someone who identifies very strongly with the inerrancy of scripture, it was great to see someone point out its difficulties in a form that is not a pro- or anti- polemic.</p>
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		<title>By: Defining Inerrancy Yet Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defining Inerrancy Yet Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] challenging questions&#8221; is precisely what Darrell Pursiful did in a speech Why I Am Not an Inerrantist—Even Though I Am (or Vice Versa).  I found it easily the most helpful reasonably short article on the topic I&#8217;ve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mikelioso</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikelioso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say the Bibles authority rest on this; you have no idea what Jesus thought or was like, or Moses, David, Joseph, or any other figure from the Bible apart from the Bible. It&#039;s my position that if you had one of these folks with you, that they would be better to get information concerning them than from the Bible.  People that put the Bible on the highest pedestal forget that while Paul was alive, no one would turn him away because they had a letter from him and so wouldn&#039;t need to here his inferior testimony.  The Bible counts second in authority to the people it describes, be it Jesus, Moses, or God.

Now it seems that a lot of the discussion on the inerrancy of the Bible rest on its being &quot;the Words of God&quot;.  If a statement is the word of God then it&#039;s true.  I think if a statement is true then it is the word of God.  I say this because we have no way of knowing if a person presents us with a statement that God inspired them.  We have to test if the words are true first, then we know they are God&#039;s.  We can&#039;t first test that they are God&#039;s then know they are true. If we accept the words as true and of God without testing them then it must be because an authority as good as truth has spoken for them.  Who is that?

Our Bible collection was selected by a number of people and committees.  Did these people have special powers to speak on behalf of God?  How did that happen? Is only on selecting works for the faithful community that they spoke with the authority of God or on their other practices as well?

Ignorance is no great sin.  Knowledge must be sought and is not all laying out in plain site.  I&#039;m sure Jesus believed that the world was around 4,000 years old and tress proceeded animals in the ocean, and birds came before animals on the land.  Why would he believe differently?  it would, I suppose, take an intelligence far out side the human to make all the discoveries of 2000 years of science in a couple of decades.  And there is no reason to believe God would let him know any more than he let the author of Genesis know.  But when the truth is known, to hold on to ignorance transforms it into a lie.  Bart Ehrman lost his faith because his faith was based on lies.  That is why I feel it is so important for the Christian community to reject the foolishness of those like the Peace Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention.  If this is allowed to define Christianity then no Christlike person could ever consent to being Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say the Bibles authority rest on this; you have no idea what Jesus thought or was like, or Moses, David, Joseph, or any other figure from the Bible apart from the Bible. It&#8217;s my position that if you had one of these folks with you, that they would be better to get information concerning them than from the Bible.  People that put the Bible on the highest pedestal forget that while Paul was alive, no one would turn him away because they had a letter from him and so wouldn&#8217;t need to here his inferior testimony.  The Bible counts second in authority to the people it describes, be it Jesus, Moses, or God.</p>
<p>Now it seems that a lot of the discussion on the inerrancy of the Bible rest on its being &#8220;the Words of God&#8221;.  If a statement is the word of God then it&#8217;s true.  I think if a statement is true then it is the word of God.  I say this because we have no way of knowing if a person presents us with a statement that God inspired them.  We have to test if the words are true first, then we know they are God&#8217;s.  We can&#8217;t first test that they are God&#8217;s then know they are true. If we accept the words as true and of God without testing them then it must be because an authority as good as truth has spoken for them.  Who is that?</p>
<p>Our Bible collection was selected by a number of people and committees.  Did these people have special powers to speak on behalf of God?  How did that happen? Is only on selecting works for the faithful community that they spoke with the authority of God or on their other practices as well?</p>
<p>Ignorance is no great sin.  Knowledge must be sought and is not all laying out in plain site.  I&#8217;m sure Jesus believed that the world was around 4,000 years old and tress proceeded animals in the ocean, and birds came before animals on the land.  Why would he believe differently?  it would, I suppose, take an intelligence far out side the human to make all the discoveries of 2000 years of science in a couple of decades.  And there is no reason to believe God would let him know any more than he let the author of Genesis know.  But when the truth is known, to hold on to ignorance transforms it into a lie.  Bart Ehrman lost his faith because his faith was based on lies.  That is why I feel it is so important for the Christian community to reject the foolishness of those like the Peace Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention.  If this is allowed to define Christianity then no Christlike person could ever consent to being Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Small</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can the word &quot;inerrancy&quot; be qualified so much that the term loses it meaning?  I suggest this is what the Chicago Statement does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the word &#8220;inerrancy&#8221; be qualified so much that the term loses it meaning?  I suggest this is what the Chicago Statement does.</p>
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